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[IMPLEMENTED] Civilian Progress Time Balance
« on: 09 06, 2019, 02:13:36 pm »
I know that
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  • Proposals which are independent of each other should not be made within the same topic.
But the idea behind this proposal is that balancing all of the civilian jobs progress levels together and later on moving to the payment of them which is described in the proposal.
Creating a topic for each job would be too much topics to do and I believe unnecessary.


Civilian Progress Time Balance

The idea I see behind Civilian Jobs is dividing the civilian jobs into 2 categories, which would be so called "Easy Jobs" and "Hard Jobs" where these 2 categories would be :
  • A ) Easy Job : A job which progress levels pays less than same progress level hard jobs, the job is good for earning fast money if let's you only have 10 hours to play, since of the promotion bonuses you get. Easy job is a short term investment of your time to get the most money in a shortest period of time.
  • B ) Hard Job : A job which progress levels pays more than the easy jobs progress levels, the job will be harder to level up, but each level will benefit you more cash. Hard job is a long term investment of your time to get the money, since the you are investing your time to receive less money in the beginning , but will pay off in a long term.

Basically L10 Easy Job will pay less in 1 hour than a L10 Hard Job.

Here is the statistical data of old civilian jobs progress levels, the time it takes to achieve a L10 , and my proposed civilian jobs progress levels and time it would take to achieve a L10.
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New players will have a choice to play the job they like and will have to think where they want to invest their time, but the best choice for them will still remain playing as a Lumberjack, since I left the job how it is now0

The idea behind why no job should take longer than 70 hours to achieve L10 is because investing 2 and a half hours daily into a civlian job for a month should be enough for players to achieve that achievement, even if the player does not have that much time to spend playing It, as some jobs currently are over 100 hours to achieve a L10, which is ridicilous. Also no jobs should be quicker than 30 hours to level up, since this is pretty achievable if you don't even have the time, and there will still remain as an achievement of becoming a L10 in a job.

After this proposal a following proposal will be proposed which will include change payments of the jobs to balance them out and make easy jobs pay less than hard jobs in a long term.

Here is my proposal of civilian jobs :
  • Pilot :
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    Currently it takes around 23 hours to achieve a L10 pilot,  when you average around 220 miles per hour.

    Proposal: My proposal would be so that it should take little bit longer, which is around 30 hours, and here is progress level changes I am proposing :
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    L1 : 660
    L2 : 1320
    L3 : 1980
    L4 : 2640
    L5 : 3300
    L6 : 3960
    L7 : 4620
    L8 : 5280
    L9 : 5940
    L10 : 6600

  • Bus Driver :
  • Show content
    Currently  it takes around 44 hours to achieve a L10 , when you average 180 stops per hour, when L9 is 4000 bus stops and L10 is 8000 stops, which is little bit too much.

    Proposal : My proposal would be so that it should take little bit less and the job should be  classified as a easy job, the job should take around 30 hours to become a L10. Progress level changes :
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    L1 : 540
    L2 :  1080
    L3 : 1620
    L4 : 2160
    L5 : 2700
    L6 : 3240
    L7 : 3780
    L8 : 4320
    L9 : 4860
    L10 : 5400


  • Trucker :
  • Show content
    Currently it takes around 26 hours to achieve a L10 Trucker, when you average around 140 miles per hour.

    Proposal : My proposal would be so that it should take little bit more and the should be classified as a easy job, the job should take around 30 hours to become a L10. Progress level changes :
    Show content
    L1 : 420
    L2 : 840
    L3 : 1260
    L4 : 1680
    L5 : 2100
    L6 : 2520
    L7 : 2940
    L8 : 3360
    L9 : 3780
    L10 : 4200

  • Delivery Man :
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    Currently it takes around only 16 hours to achieve a L10 if you average around 150 deliveries per hour, I think that is too short and makes the job fastest job to achieve L10, the job after changes looks nice and not so boring, so we could still classify the job under "Easy job" and not make it too long to achieve the achievement.

    Proposal : My proposal would be that it should take little bit longer to achieve a L10, L10 should be done in 30 hours if averaging 150 deliveries per hour, progress level changes :
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    L1 : 450
    L2 : 900
    L3 : 1350
    L4 : 1800
    L5 : 2250
    L6 : 2700
    L7 : 3150
    L8 : 3600
    L9 : 4050
    L10 : 4500

  • Fire Fighter:
  • Show content
    Currently it takes around 106 hours to achieve a L10 which is too much , when averaging 750 fires taken out in an hour.

    Proposal : My proposal would be so that it should take little bit less to achieve L10, when averaging 750 fires putten out it should take you only 70 hours to achieve a L10 Fire Fighter. Here are my proposed progress level changes :
    Show content
    L1 : 2250
    L2 : 6000
    L3 : 11250
    L4 : 16500
    L5 : 21750
    L6 : 27750
    L7 : 33750
    L8 : 39750
    L9 : 45750
    L10 : 52500

  • Waste Manager:
  • Show content
    Currently it takes around 46 hours to achieve a L10 hours if you average 1600 rubbish taken out in an hour.

    Proposal : My proposal would be so that it should take little bit more to achieve L10 because the job after the reworks is pretty fun to do and not to so boring in my opinion, I believe making it a hard job and for it to take 70 hours to achieve a L10  would be making a job more interesting because the achievement would be valued more. Here are my proposed level changes :
    Show content
    L1 : 4800
    L2 : 12800
    L3 : 24000
    L4 : 35200
    L5 : 46400
    L6 : 59200
    L7 : 72000
    L8 : 84800
    L9 : 97600
    L10 : 112000

  • News Reporter:
  • Show content
    Currently it takes around 95 hours to achieve a L10 hours if you average 80 photos taken in an hour.

    Proposal : My proposal would be so that It should be faster to achieve a L10 in a specific given job, because 95 hours is too much, I believe classifying it as hard job and making 70 hours to achieve a L10 job would be more fair and achievable, my proposed progress level changes :
    Show content
    L1 : 240
    L2 : 640
    L3 : 1200
    L4 : 1760
    L5 : 2320
    L6 : 2960
    L7 : 3600
    L8 : 4240
    L9 : 4880
    L10 : 5600

  • Farmer:
  • Show content
    Currently it takes around 90 hours to achieve a L10 hours if you average 1000 bales farmed in an hour.

    Proposal : My proposal would be so that It should be faster to achieve a L10 in a specific given job, because 90 hours is too much, I believe classifying it as hard job and making 70 hours to achieve a L10 job would be more fair and achievable, my proposed progress level changes :
    Show content
    L1 : 3000
    L2 : 8000
    L3 : 15000
    L4 : 22000
    L5 : 29000
    L6 : 37000
    L7 : 45000
    L8 : 53000
    L9 : 61000
    L10 : 70000

  • Taxi Driver:
  • Show content
    Taxi driver represents a fast paced gameplay, and after recent buffs to the job it is faster to progress through , it takes around 46 hours to achieve a L10 if you average around 320k money earned through out the levels.

    Proposal : I believe with the recent changes the job could be classified as a hard job and it should take little bit longer to achieve a L10, which is 70 hours. Here are my proposed job level changes :
    Show content
    L1 :  360000
    L2 :  1120000
    L3 :  2400000
    L4 :  3960000
    L5 :  5800000
    L6 :  8140000
    L7 :   10800000
    L8 :  13780000
    L9 :   17080000
    L10 :  21000000

  • Hunter:
  • Show content
    Hunter at the moment one of the hardest jobs in my opinion, it takes around 109 hours to achieve a L10 if you average around 1300 progress points per hour, which is way too long.

    Proposal : I propose that It should take around 70 hours to achieve a L10 which would be an achievable achievement, my proposed job level changes :
    Show content
    L1 :   3900
    L2 :  10400
    L3 :  19500
    L4 :  28600
    L5 :  37700
    L6 :  48100
    L7 :   58500
    L8 :  68900
    L9 :   79300
    L10 :  91000

  • Pizza Boy:
  • Show content
    Pizza boy currently takes only 20 hours achieve L10 if you average 90 pizzas in a hour, which in my opinion is too fast and the achievement is going to be devalued.

    Proposal : I believe it should be classified as an easy job where it should take around 30 hours to achieve a L10, achievement would be valued by more players. Here are my proposed job level changes :
    Show content
    L1 :  270
    L2 :  540
    L3 : 810
    L4 : 1080
    L5 :  1350
    L6 : 1620
    L7 :  1890
    L8 :  2160
    L9 :  2430
    L10 : 2700

  • Fuel Transporter:
  • Show content
    Fuel transporter is really hard job due to the vehicle you are working with, which is hard to control, currently it takes around 119 hours to achieve a L10 if you average 8800 miles per hour, which is ridicilous and way too long.

    Proposal : I believe it should be around 70 hours to achieve L10 , which could make little bit more played and L10 Achievement would be actually achievable, here are my proposed job level changes :
    Show content
    L1 :  26400
    L2 : 70400
    L3 : 132000
    L4 :  193600
    L5 : 255200
    L6 : 325600
    L7 :  396000
    L8 :  466400
    L9 :  536800
    L10 :  616000




Special thanks to @elektro @filly @JayXxX for spending hours playing the jobs and collecting data to make the average progress per hour.
With their help it took me little bit more than 30 hours to make this proposal.
« Last Edit: 14 06, 2019, 06:48:25 pm by Brian »

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Re: [VOTE] Civilian Progress Time Balance
« Reply #1 on: 10 06, 2019, 03:15:25 pm »
I would like to change the proposal into a vote topic, councillors please be kind enough to state your votes.


Proposal :
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I know thatBut the idea behind this proposal is that balancing all of the civilian jobs progress levels together and later on moving to the payment of them which is described in the proposal.
Creating a topic for each job would be too much topics to do and I believe unnecessary.


Civilian Progress Time Balance

The idea I see behind Civilian Jobs is dividing the civilian jobs into 2 categories, which would be so called "Easy Jobs" and "Hard Jobs" where these 2 categories would be :
  • A ) Easy Job : A job which progress levels pays less than same progress level hard jobs, the job is good for earning fast money if let's you only have 10 hours to play, since of the promotion bonuses you get. Easy job is a short term investment of your time to get the most money in a shortest period of time.
  • B ) Hard Job : A job which progress levels pays more than the easy jobs progress levels, the job will be harder to level up, but each level will benefit you more cash. Hard job is a long term investment of your time to get the money, since the you are investing your time to receive less money in the beginning , but will pay off in a long term.

Basically L10 Easy Job will pay less in 1 hour than a L10 Hard Job.

Here is the statistical data of old civilian jobs progress levels, the time it takes to achieve a L10 , and my proposed civilian jobs progress levels and time it would take to achieve a L10.
Show content

New players will have a choice to play the job they like and will have to think where they want to invest their time, but the best choice for them will still remain playing as a Lumberjack, since I left the job how it is now0

The idea behind why no job should take longer than 70 hours to achieve L10 is because investing 2 and a half hours daily into a civlian job for a month should be enough for players to achieve that achievement, even if the player does not have that much time to spend playing It, as some jobs currently are over 100 hours to achieve a L10, which is ridicilous. Also no jobs should be quicker than 30 hours to level up, since this is pretty achievable if you don't even have the time, and there will still remain as an achievement of becoming a L10 in a job.

After this proposal a following proposal will be proposed which will include change payments of the jobs to balance them out and make easy jobs pay less than hard jobs in a long term.

Here is my proposal of civilian jobs :
  • Pilot :
  • Show content
    Currently it takes around 23 hours to achieve a L10 pilot,  when you average around 220 miles per hour.

    Proposal: My proposal would be so that it should take little bit longer, which is around 30 hours, and here is progress level changes I am proposing :
    Show content
    L1 : 660
    L2 : 1320
    L3 : 1980
    L4 : 2640
    L5 : 3300
    L6 : 3960
    L7 : 4620
    L8 : 5280
    L9 : 5940
    L10 : 6600

  • Bus Driver :
  • Show content
    Currently  it takes around 44 hours to achieve a L10 , when you average 180 stops per hour, when L9 is 4000 bus stops and L10 is 8000 stops, which is little bit too much.

    Proposal : My proposal would be so that it should take little bit less and the job should be  classified as a easy job, the job should take around 30 hours to become a L10. Progress level changes :
    Show content
    L1 : 540
    L2 :  1080
    L3 : 1620
    L4 : 2160
    L5 : 2700
    L6 : 3240
    L7 : 3780
    L8 : 4320
    L9 : 4860
    L10 : 5400


  • Trucker :
  • Show content
    Currently it takes around 26 hours to achieve a L10 Trucker, when you average around 140 miles per hour.

    Proposal : My proposal would be so that it should take little bit more and the should be classified as a easy job, the job should take around 30 hours to become a L10. Progress level changes :
    Show content
    L1 : 420
    L2 : 840
    L3 : 1260
    L4 : 1680
    L5 : 2100
    L6 : 2520
    L7 : 2940
    L8 : 3360
    L9 : 3780
    L10 : 4200

  • Delivery Man :
  • Show content
    Currently it takes around only 16 hours to achieve a L10 if you average around 150 deliveries per hour, I think that is too short and makes the job fastest job to achieve L10, the job after changes looks nice and not so boring, so we could still classify the job under "Easy job" and not make it too long to achieve the achievement.

    Proposal : My proposal would be that it should take little bit longer to achieve a L10, L10 should be done in 30 hours if averaging 150 deliveries per hour, progress level changes :
    Show content
    L1 : 450
    L2 : 900
    L3 : 1350
    L4 : 1800
    L5 : 2250
    L6 : 2700
    L7 : 3150
    L8 : 3600
    L9 : 4050
    L10 : 4500

  • Fire Fighter:
  • Show content
    Currently it takes around 106 hours to achieve a L10 which is too much , when averaging 750 fires taken out in an hour.

    Proposal : My proposal would be so that it should take little bit less to achieve L10, when averaging 750 fires putten out it should take you only 70 hours to achieve a L10 Fire Fighter. Here are my proposed progress level changes :
    Show content
    L1 : 2250
    L2 : 6000
    L3 : 11250
    L4 : 16500
    L5 : 21750
    L6 : 27750
    L7 : 33750
    L8 : 39750
    L9 : 45750
    L10 : 52500

  • Waste Manager:
  • Show content
    Currently it takes around 46 hours to achieve a L10 hours if you average 1600 rubbish taken out in an hour.

    Proposal : My proposal would be so that it should take little bit more to achieve L10 because the job after the reworks is pretty fun to do and not to so boring in my opinion, I believe making it a hard job and for it to take 70 hours to achieve a L10  would be making a job more interesting because the achievement would be valued more. Here are my proposed level changes :
    Show content
    L1 : 4800
    L2 : 12800
    L3 : 24000
    L4 : 35200
    L5 : 46400
    L6 : 59200
    L7 : 72000
    L8 : 84800
    L9 : 97600
    L10 : 112000

  • News Reporter:
  • Show content
    Currently it takes around 95 hours to achieve a L10 hours if you average 80 photos taken in an hour.

    Proposal : My proposal would be so that It should be faster to achieve a L10 in a specific given job, because 95 hours is too much, I believe classifying it as hard job and making 70 hours to achieve a L10 job would be more fair and achievable, my proposed progress level changes :
    Show content
    L1 : 240
    L2 : 640
    L3 : 1200
    L4 : 1760
    L5 : 2320
    L6 : 2960
    L7 : 3600
    L8 : 4240
    L9 : 4880
    L10 : 5600

  • Farmer:
  • Show content
    Currently it takes around 90 hours to achieve a L10 hours if you average 1000 bales farmed in an hour.

    Proposal : My proposal would be so that It should be faster to achieve a L10 in a specific given job, because 90 hours is too much, I believe classifying it as hard job and making 70 hours to achieve a L10 job would be more fair and achievable, my proposed progress level changes :
    Show content
    L1 : 3000
    L2 : 8000
    L3 : 15000
    L4 : 22000
    L5 : 29000
    L6 : 37000
    L7 : 45000
    L8 : 53000
    L9 : 61000
    L10 : 70000

  • Taxi Driver:
  • Show content
    Taxi driver represents a fast paced gameplay, and after recent buffs to the job it is faster to progress through , it takes around 46 hours to achieve a L10 if you average around 320k money earned through out the levels.

    Proposal : I believe with the recent changes the job could be classified as a hard job and it should take little bit longer to achieve a L10, which is 70 hours. Here are my proposed job level changes :
    Show content
    L1 :  360000
    L2 :  1120000
    L3 :  2400000
    L4 :  3960000
    L5 :  5800000
    L6 :  8140000
    L7 :   10800000
    L8 :  13780000
    L9 :   17080000
    L10 :  21000000

  • Hunter:
  • Show content
    Hunter at the moment one of the hardest jobs in my opinion, it takes around 109 hours to achieve a L10 if you average around 1300 progress points per hour, which is way too long.

    Proposal : I propose that It should take around 70 hours to achieve a L10 which would be an achievable achievement, my proposed job level changes :
    Show content
    L1 :   3900
    L2 :  10400
    L3 :  19500
    L4 :  28600
    L5 :  37700
    L6 :  48100
    L7 :   58500
    L8 :  68900
    L9 :   79300
    L10 :  91000

  • Pizza Boy:
  • Show content
    Pizza boy currently takes only 20 hours achieve L10 if you average 90 pizzas in a hour, which in my opinion is too fast and the achievement is going to be devalued.

    Proposal : I believe it should be classified as an easy job where it should take around 30 hours to achieve a L10, achievement would be valued by more players. Here are my proposed job level changes :
    Show content
    L1 :  270
    L2 :  540
    L3 : 810
    L4 : 1080
    L5 :  1350
    L6 : 1620
    L7 :  1890
    L8 :  2160
    L9 :  2430
    L10 : 2700

  • Fuel Transporter:
  • Show content
    Fuel transporter is really hard job due to the vehicle you are working with, which is hard to control, currently it takes around 119 hours to achieve a L10 if you average 8800 miles per hour, which is ridicilous and way too long.

    Proposal : I believe it should be around 70 hours to achieve L10 , which could make little bit more played and L10 Achievement would be actually achievable, here are my proposed job level changes :
    Show content
    L1 :  26400
    L2 : 70400
    L3 : 132000
    L4 :  193600
    L5 : 255200
    L6 : 325600
    L7 :  396000
    L8 :  466400
    L9 :  536800
    L10 :  616000




Special thanks to @elektro @filly @JayXxX for spending hours playing the jobs and collecting data to make the average progress per hour.
With their help it took me little bit more than 30 hours to make this proposal.

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Re: [VOTE] Civilian Progress Time Balance
« Reply #2 on: 10 06, 2019, 03:19:36 pm »
 :tick:

Some of the times to achieve L10 in job are very high, which makes the jobs unplayable and the achievement un-achievable by regular players, the proposal wouldn't ruin the achievement and it will still be pretty hard to achieve L10 in certain jobs, where in some it will be easier.


It should not take Brian a lot of time to implement this since I have provided him all the calculations that are needed.

Diving jobs into 2 types, where one would be a short term investment, and other would be long term investment is a good thing, which will make people play the jobs depending on how much cash they want to earn and how much time they've got. There's absolutely no harm in it and I believe it will make some unplayed civilian jobs played because players will thrive for a possible achievement which doesn't take 120 hours, but rather 70. Which is 2 and a half hours of efficient gameplay everyday a month.

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Re: [VOTE] Civilian Progress Time Balance
« Reply #3 on: 10 06, 2019, 03:49:58 pm »
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I see no issue with this.

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Re: [VOTE] Civilian Progress Time Balance
« Reply #4 on: 10 06, 2019, 09:16:25 pm »
 :tick:
I've read it more than once to make sure that I vote in an impartial way on this suggestion. Everything is pretty much explained in a perfect way that shows the progress of each civilian job.





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Special thanks to @elektro @filly @JayXxX for spending hours playing the jobs and collecting data to make the average progress per hour.
With their help it took me little bit more than 30 hours to make this proposal.
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Re: [VOTE] Civilian Progress Time Balance
« Reply #5 on: 11 06, 2019, 07:23:03 pm »
Changing it into accepted since it has 3 positive votes and no councillor was negative about.

I spoke about this proposal with some skilled civilians like Chin and they had nothing bad about the suggestion, even those these guys are L10 in the jobs I am nerfing , so It won't devalue their current achievements.

I have sent Brian all the calculations so the only scripting thats needed to be done is making people who already have the achievement, but they are not L10 anymore, wouldn't get money from completing achievement again.

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Re: [VOTE] Civilian Progress Time Balance
« Reply #6 on: 14 06, 2019, 06:48:02 pm »
I have sent Brian all the calculations so the only scripting thats needed to be done is making people who already have the achievement, but they are not L10 anymore, wouldn't get money from completing achievement again.

Let them have it again so they don't get frustrated from losing their rank..